tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post6407329011548376528..comments2023-11-06T11:31:25.673-08:00Comments on Activist Teacher: 911 Movement Needs Clean Up and Focus on ActivismDenis Rancourthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16743375141824505606noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-31452076134128169832011-05-01T05:29:52.182-07:002011-05-01T05:29:52.182-07:00Comparing probabilities.
In testimony given by Su...Comparing probabilities.<br /><br />In testimony given by Susan Ginsberg, a staff member of the National Commission on Terrorist attacks upon the United States, in the January 26, 2004 Public Hearing, we learn how the passports were found. Perhaps the most remarkable was the passport of Satam al Suqami, which was found by a “passerby” in a nearby street less than an hour after the planes crashed Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-6158215340888098782011-04-30T06:47:03.857-07:002011-04-30T06:47:03.857-07:00The official testimony of hundreds of firefighters...The official testimony of hundreds of firefighters, workers and witnesses that were at the scene and inside the buildings carries a lot more weight than the casual dismissal of their statements by people who were not there.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ4dVo5QgYg<br /><br />In the only physical tests known to have been performed by NIST for their study, the steel trusses were heatedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-9977763537316786622011-04-29T14:33:39.684-07:002011-04-29T14:33:39.684-07:00(ctd.)
"FEMA’s report conclusion"
Many ...(ctd.)<br /><br />"FEMA’s report conclusion"<br />Many years have passed since. Science has progressed, FEMA has been bettered and corrected. Trutherdom has stagnated.<br /><br />"911 Commission Report – WTC 7 collapse is absent from the report"<br />Why should it be in there? Was it targeted by terrorists? Did any government agency fail to protect it? Boogeyman.<br /><br />&Oysteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07389945793486175214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-59577104861510492182011-04-29T14:30:23.898-07:002011-04-29T14:30:23.898-07:00"Below is a quick timeline of things covered ..."Below is a quick timeline of things covered in the Gage presentation."<br />You forgot to list the timestamps where Gage tells lies, distortions, false analogies, appeals to false authority, quote-mined statements and statements out of comtext, and other fallacies. Gage maintains outright lies on the homepage of his business outfit, why do you trust his presentations?<br /><br />Mot ofOysteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07389945793486175214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-31907918381430841162011-04-29T13:54:34.094-07:002011-04-29T13:54:34.094-07:00@ 2nd Anonymous:
"I was clearly asking for ex...@ 2nd Anonymous:<br />"I was clearly asking for examples of demolition-style collapses. The Thai toy factory collapse proceeded over at least 35 minutes"<br />Okay, fair point, if true (I frankly dodn't know that detail).<br />At least it is an example of total collapse of steel frame structure due to fire only. Obviously, it didn't have the 100 tons of TNT equivalent potential Oysteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07389945793486175214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-43655284552877128612011-04-29T13:42:16.751-07:002011-04-29T13:42:16.751-07:00More Anonymouses - are you all the same? Or differ...More Anonymouses - are you all the same? Or different posters? Why don't you do anything to identify yourself? Not nice to talk to you :(<br /><br />The first Anonymous after my last post mostly presents, in lieu of arguments, a number of youtube videos (John Gross, David Chandler, Kevin Ryan, Ryan and Steven Jones), without summarizung what their point is. I will not debate youtube videos. Oysteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07389945793486175214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-65012559358115878642011-04-29T07:40:16.262-07:002011-04-29T07:40:16.262-07:00Below is a quick timeline of things covered in the...Below is a quick timeline of things covered in the Gage presentation. The evidence for what is denied and was carefully kept out of the official reports is overwhelming, particularly the pre-collapse explosions, the long-lingering molten metal, the complete pulverization, the tests for the steel etc.<br /><br />http://vimeo.com/17994693<br /><br />Fires and fire tests starting at 11:51<br /><br /Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-54623921876520963562011-04-29T07:38:54.413-07:002011-04-29T07:38:54.413-07:00The Thai toy factory fire and collapse show how on...The Thai toy factory fire and collapse show how one can scrape the bottom of a barrel.<br /><br />I was clearly asking for examples of demolition-style collapses. The Thai toy factory collapse proceeded over at least 35 minutes from the moment the firefighters arrived, at 4:40 pm, when it was already "beginning to collapse" (i.e. visibly sagging and deforming irregularly as it was Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-26099892462401054482011-04-27T18:03:19.364-07:002011-04-27T18:03:19.364-07:00"thousands of people did [hear explosions]&qu..."thousands of people did [hear explosions]"<br />Earlier, it was only hundreds. Oh well.<br />None of these explosions were consistent in loudness, timing, location and brisance with high explosive CD. Almost all of these observations have at least one plausible explanation other than high-explosives. Things that go "boom" in a distressed and burning buildings are many, and Oysteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07389945793486175214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-88691688785445242392011-04-27T11:41:08.451-07:002011-04-27T11:41:08.451-07:00No time or desire here to reply to your comments a...No time or desire here to reply to your comments about the absence of explosions because you did not hear them but thousands of people did, and CAN be heard if you dedicate some time to watching the available footage. Or any other of the empty statements to the effect that things are not so because you say so.<br /><br />I just quickly scrolled to the last paragraph of your endless nonsense to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-7595123558022852192011-04-27T09:37:12.669-07:002011-04-27T09:37:12.669-07:00"architect Richard Gage. At the end of his ex..."architect Richard Gage. At the end of his excellent presentation he urges people to "do something about it""<br /><br />Have you noticed that his "petition" has been sitting there for almost 4 years now? 4 years during which signers die, retire, change their minds...<br />This list is grwoing outdated.<br /><br />Have you wondered if, and when, Gage will submit the Oysteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07389945793486175214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-77300589414212002322011-04-27T09:28:24.432-07:002011-04-27T09:28:24.432-07:00"I’ve watched this short interview with Harri..."I’ve watched this short interview with Harrit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RNyaoYR3y0&feature=fvsr explaining how once he came to understand what was going on, there was no way back for him and he felt compelled to “do something” to rise people’s awareness."<br /><br />Dear Anonymous,<br />Activist teacher (Denis) links in the post that you are commenting to a sound refutatuion Oysteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07389945793486175214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-46342021569162351642011-04-27T09:09:29.194-07:002011-04-27T09:09:29.194-07:00"Most of the jet fuel consumed itself in the ..."Most of the jet fuel consumed itself in the first ballfire, and the remaining fuel could not last long."<br />Note that no-one claims that burning fuel as such brought anything down! Fuel mainly served as an incendiary that started fires throughout several floors simultaneously, aggravating the situation. Of course, most combustion energy came from office contents.<br /><br />"Oysteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07389945793486175214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-47610520163320189812011-04-27T09:06:55.680-07:002011-04-27T09:06:55.680-07:00"You are not computing anything because you a..."You are not computing anything because you are not comparing any of that to what was needed and because most of that "available" energy could not be used to crush the buildings down."<br />Frank Greening did it, here:<br />http://www.911myths.com/WTCONC1.pdf<br />Conclusion: More than enough energy available.<br /><br />"When a building, or any structure, collapses by Oysteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07389945793486175214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-86402787578894121942011-04-27T08:35:10.205-07:002011-04-27T08:35:10.205-07:00"The demolition of WTC 7 looks exactly like a..."The demolition of WTC 7 looks exactly like a classic demolition because it is."<br />But it doesn't SOUND like one. Jowenko was shown a silent video, that way he was fooled. Had they played the clip with sound, he would have said "hey wait, I hear no explosions".<br /><br />"The hundreds of workers and witnesses who reported hearing many explosions all over the Oysteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07389945793486175214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-36815121112995080902011-04-27T08:34:48.350-07:002011-04-27T08:34:48.350-07:00"For whatever they are worth, here is one suc..."For whatever they are worth, here is one such calculation that assumes (with absurd generosity) that all the energy of motion of the falling steel is converted to heat to melt the steel"<br />Since that assumption is silly and not held to be true by anyone at all, the calculation is a pointless waste of time.<br />Here is a much better paper that starts out with more realistic Oysteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07389945793486175214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-73274669147003390452011-04-27T08:34:02.335-07:002011-04-27T08:34:02.335-07:00"MIT engineer Jeff King on the pyroclastic cl..."MIT engineer Jeff King on the pyroclastic clouds"<br />King is wrong to describe the dust clouds as "pyroclastic".<br />He vastly misrepresents the proportion of concrete that was reduced to dust, and that was left in the rubble. And he probably never looked at other highrise demolitions where large dust clouds flow into streets. For example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oysteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07389945793486175214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-33054840276345206622011-04-27T07:46:44.012-07:002011-04-27T07:46:44.012-07:00"The demolition of the WTC had been previousl..."The demolition of the WTC had been previously requested and refused (on account of the asbestos):"<br />What does that prove? Nothing.<br />The claim that Silverstein made a "huge profit" is a LIE. Yes, he got (or will get) around $4.6 billion from insurance companies, but he is liable to rebuild out of his own purse (ett. $3.1 billion), he still pays an annual lease in the $Oysteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07389945793486175214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-37855124281680041832011-04-27T07:46:25.573-07:002011-04-27T07:46:25.573-07:00Dear Anonymous, it would be helpful if you would c...Dear Anonymous, it would be helpful if you would consider using a name here, so I know I am talking to the same or different persons. Thanks. Now on to the "arguments".<br /><br />"For a while there I thought you may have been lampooning your own views. The lateral ejections were optical illusions??"<br />Strawman. I didn't deny lateral ejections.<br /><br />"Is that Oysteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07389945793486175214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-66557430224928906532011-04-27T07:33:38.389-07:002011-04-27T07:33:38.389-07:00As for the countless reports of explosions in the ...As for the countless reports of explosions in the buildings.<br /><br />When a large building is prepared for demolition, you often “prep” it for the grand finale by removing a large part of its *redundant* support. This lowers the likelyhood of timing mistakes for the final stage. You need to understand these are hevily redundant structures. Redundant in the sense of being able to redistribute Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-8066892982394260482011-04-27T05:58:21.684-07:002011-04-27T05:58:21.684-07:00Regarding the potential for activist action from t...Regarding the potential for activist action from the 911 truth movement.<br />The main difficulty for any kind of coherent action comes from the wide array of political persuasion among members. You find every and any thing, from hard core Reagan conservatives, to libertarians, to preppy liberals, to scruffy anarchists – anything. What unites them is the sense of shock and outrage, that tends to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-70986698228098955482011-04-26T08:16:27.482-07:002011-04-26T08:16:27.482-07:00"It is easy to compute that there was plenty ..."It is easy to compute that there was plenty of energy available"<br /><br />* potential energy (gravity) was about 1 Terajoule for all three towers<br />* kinetic energy from planes was about 6 Gigajoules<br />* Chemical energy from jet fuel inside the twin towers was several 100 Gigajoules<br />* Chemical energy from office contents was many times more than that of the jet fuels. We Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-76245116615022454512011-04-26T07:10:55.550-07:002011-04-26T07:10:55.550-07:00MIT engineer Jeff King on the pyroclastic clouds
h...MIT engineer Jeff King on the pyroclastic clouds<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW81Cd7nNH8&feature=related<br /><br />Some people have done calculations. They are really not needed to understand that the energy from a gravitational collapse cannot pulverize most of the concrete even before it reaches the ground, eject pieces two football fields away, cut all the core steel columns in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-20703434326514035882011-04-26T04:39:42.171-07:002011-04-26T04:39:42.171-07:00For a while there I thought you may have been lamp...For a while there I thought you may have been lampooning your own views. The lateral ejections were optical illusions?? Is that why large chunks of structural members were stuck in buildings hundreds of feet away.<br /><br />A more useful approach would be to watch this presentation from beginning to end and offer some coherent answer to its different parts.<br />http://vimeo.com/17994693<br /><Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-418581095311857454.post-12497402722921123072011-04-25T16:02:34.862-07:002011-04-25T16:02:34.862-07:00Anonymous asks some questions. Here are the answer...Anonymous asks some questions. Here are the answers (it turns out that many of the questions are based on false premises):<br /><br />"What? What? Massive lateral and upward ejections follow from gravity?"<br /><br />- There were no upward ejections to speak of - those pointed out in some videos are optic illusions<br />- Yes, massive lateral ejections are expected when large structuresOysteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07389945793486175214noreply@blogger.com